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Post by Ja'aj on Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:14 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.][/url]Enforcement at heart of Ariz. immigration lawsuit




By BOB CHRISTIE, Associated Press Writer Bob Christie, Associated Press
57 mins ago

PHOENIX –
On paper, Arizona's controversial new immigration law is not that different from the federal version.

But the key difference is this:
Arizona wants every illegal immigrant caught and deported.
* *
The federal government says treating all 11 million of the nation's illegal immigrants as criminals would overwhelm the system.

In its lawsuit challenging the Arizona law, the Justice Department says its policy is to focus on dangerous immigrants: gang members, drug traffickers, threats to national security. Otherwise law-abiding immigrants without documentation would largely be left alone.

* *Homeland Security officials say the government
cannot possibly find, arrest and deport everyone who is here illegally.

And trying to do so would also upset a balance crafted by Congress
that takes into account humanitarian interests and foreign relations.

But
proponents of the Arizona solution insist that's no reason not to try.
And they say the state's toughest-in-the-nation law is a reasonable
way to start.
* * "If it's really the case that they don't have enough resources to
enforce the laws that Congress has passed, it would seem it's incumbent
on them to go back to Congress and ask for more resources," said Steven Camarota, research director at the center for Immigration Studies,
a group that favors stricter enforcement of immigration laws.
"But since they don't do that, it sort of undermines the argument."

~ ~ ~ ~ ~
** Arizona's new law is nearly identical to federal immigration law.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
At issue is how it is enforced.
The federal government says the state law is unconstitutional
because it usurps federal authority to protect U.S. borders and
American citizens.
* *Arizona counters that the federal government is not
doing its job, which forces state officials to step in.
State lawmakers argue that the federal government already enlists local
authorities to identify illegal immigrants who have been arrested for
other crimes. The new law, they say, just extends that to police
patrols.

The federal government says the law goes too far by making it a state crime to be in Arizona illegally and requiring police to question the immigration status of anyone they encounter who is believed to be undocumented.

The furor over the Arizona law is * *overblown * *,
Camarota said Wednesday.
It does not envision mass deportations or roundups, just a slow but steady
pressure on illegal immigrants to leave Arizona —
either for their home countries or for another state.
The number of illegal immigrants in the country fell for the first time
in this decade
in 2007, and dropped another 800,000 between 2008 and 2009,
primarily due to the recession and increased enforcement efforts.

As of January 2009, an estimated 10.8 million people were in the
country illegally, 1 million less than the 2007 peak, according to the
Department of Homeland Security.

Deportations have been increasing, climbing from 185,944 in 2007
to 387,790 last year.
Many critics argue the federal government cannot selectively enforce
immigration law, but it's common for law enforcement at all levels to
prioritize.
Small-time pot dealers do not receive the same level of
investigation or prosecution as big-time heroin traffickers.
The government has also tolerated medical marijuana in 14 states.

But Arizona's law has brought selective enforcement — and the differences
that exist even among police agencies — into clearer focus.
Those differences are stark, even in the Phoenix metro area. Phoenix Police
Chief Jack Harris says in an affidavit supporting the federal suit that
he will probably have to move detectives focused on violent crime to street
patrol because regular officers will be busy enforcing Arizona's new law.
But Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has been at the forefront of the effort to empower local authorities to enforce immigration laws, routinely assigns deputies to crime sweeps where they target illegal immigrants.

* *The federal government is worried that other states will follow Arizona's
lead,* * - overwhelming federal agencies with non-criminal illegal immigrants
- who will cost the government millions to deport.-

* * A March study by the liberal Center for American Progress estimated that deporting the entire illegal immigration population and securing the borders would cost $285 billion over five years.

In the government lawsuit, officials with Immigration and
Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection
declared they will be forced to shift resources from major cases to
minor ones if the law goes into effect as scheduled on July 29.

The government wants a federal judge hearing the lawsuit and
five others filed over the law to grant an injunction blocking the
measure from taking effect.
At a hearing Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton said she
intended to take whatever time is needed to make a sound legal decision, suggesting there's
* * no guarantee she'll rule on a possible injunction before July 29.

The federal lawsuit focuses on a core constitutional concern —
balancing power between the states and the federal government. More
specifically, the issue centers on the long-running "pre-emption" legal
argument that says federal law trumps state law.


****The government sidestepped concerns about the potential for
racial profiling and civil rights violations most often raised by
immigration advocates. ****

Experts said those are weaker arguments that do not belong in a
federal legal challenge.

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Like the old (disgusted) catchphrase went - (in that not-too-distant past election): "IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID !"

Huh. It looks like this time: "IT'S THE MONEY."

So.. I'm just curious... living here, in the
KIDNAP CAPITAL OF THE WORLD
as I do...
Doesn't KIDNAPPING A CHILD -
even the
BUSINESS ASSOCIATE of A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL
who has displeased his bosses...
(read: STOLEN MONEY AND/OR PRODUCT!)
from the aforementioned Cartel...
(and CERTAINLY NOT! here legally...
not the thief - and for damned sure not the monsters
sent to "deal" with the errant employee...)
constitute a MAJOR VIOLENT CRIME?

I believe kidnapping -after 24 hours-
is a FEDERAL CRIME and carries the DEATH PENALTY.
?
Particularly in the kind of VOLUME warranting
the title "KIDNAP CAPITAL OF THE WORLD"... ?

Hmmm?

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Post by Breezey Breezey on Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:36 pm

Okay... I get the point that they are more concerned with criminals more than just being illegals, but then they should have made their law more specific? So, it's okay to be illegal as long as you play nice?

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Post by Ja'aj on Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:47 pm

I know what you mean... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] I'm finding myself AGREEING
with our damned Sheriff Joe! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] about some of this garbage.
*eeeewww*

Oh, EYEWASH!!
"We" can't / DON'T ! bust/deal with/convict / FIND them!
Not ours, not theirs, not the freakin' RUSSIAN MOB! for cats sake. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

No... it's not the "degree" of criminality - it's HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST!!
to send them home!

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! with arresting, deporting,
- shooting dead in the street (whatever works!) -
the violent thugs from Mexico AND EVERYWHERE ELSE!!
E V E R Y W H E R E!
If I could, I'd deport ALL that garbage! to somewhere ... ELSE...
(Well, hey - ! We've got starving, violent DRUG DEALERS/Kidnappers/
murderers/armed robbers/ etc.! HERE too ya know.)

After all... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] they were here first and they deserve our attention -
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"America For Americans" ; "America first", and all that
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It is the COST! of doing it Arizona's SB-1070 "way".
( don't see WHY - hell, we've pretty-much given up! on collecting the
BACK FUNDING ! the Feds owe us - we're still gonna try and handle it..
what's the problem? Afraid they'll LOOK BAD?
(EYEWASH! NO ONE looks worse than Joe Arpaio. Trust me. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.])
The rednecked Neanderthal belongs in Mississippi straw-bossing a 1930's
CHAIN GANG.

* * "The federal government says treating all 11 million of the nation's
illegal immigrants as criminals would overwhelm the system."
(Italics are mine)

* * "Homeland Security officials say the government
cannot possibly find, arrest and deport everyone who is here illegally."

Yeah? So.. what?!? So we just install a revolving door?
("C'mon in!; we're open !" )??
Should we change the script on the Statue of Liberty to read
"Send us your killers,your child molesters, your - whatever you don't want... "
??
We won't ever know - BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER TRY!


* * "If it's really the case that they don't have enough resources to
enforce the laws that Congress has passed, it would seem it's incumbent
on them to go back to Congress and ask for more resources," [etc.]
(-Steven Camarota, research director at the center for Immigration Studies)

Ya think?


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AND NOW...

"


By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer


Fri Jul 30, 7:46 pm ET





WASHINGTON
– The Obama administration, unable to push an immigration overhaul
through Congress, is considering ways it could go around lawmakers to
let undocumented immigrants stay in the United States, according to an
agency memo."
The rest of the article is here:


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So, that's IT! - this office temp GOES - as far as I'm concerned.

And I try again for a PRESIDENT! - not someone who thinks he's
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It is NOT his call!
I gave him a shot - and I like a lot of what he's trying to do.

NOT!! THIS.
Even f'ing Dubya waited until Congress was IN RECESS !
before he tried an end-run.


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Post by Breezey Breezey on Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:08 pm

I see. I know of two immigrants.. illegal.. that were sent back and neither was very good or nice. One was a criminal with a death hanging over his head and the other was with a white woman and children... very mean and abusive.
Neither one belonged here and should never be given a chance to stay.. even without a criminal charge.

Funny how people actually born here belonging here and raised here their whole lives are having to prove that now, while talk is going on about not make illegal people prove a damn thing.

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Post by Ja'aj on Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:52 pm

"Funny how people actually born here belonging here and raised here
their whole lives are having to prove that now, while talk is going on
about not make illegal people prove a damn thing."

YEAH... which! is how we got "here" with this mess in the first place...

Here, now - and since 9/11 - "we" have had to carry I.D. with us always.
Greg and some other people - he wasn't "with" them- were in a park just up
the street from here about 6-7 years ago... and the cops asked them all
for their I.D.
Greg hadn't driven there so he didn't have his wallet on him.
The cop "dropped by" and Greg showed him his D.L.
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Now, Arizona has two types of State-issued I.D. A Driver's License
and a state "Proof Of Identity" .
... AND...
BOTH require either the OTHER I.D. (?)
or a Birth Certificate! in order to obtain it.
I have to provide a BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! in order tobe told don't qualify
for various types of "aid" - Social Security, Medicaid, Food stamps, Arizona
Health Insurance, blah-blah-blah...
And they don't. ????
THAT is "racial profiling"... seems like it sure is, just not the way
they're slanting to appear.
If I commit a crime in another country... POW!
They will likely jail me - THERE.
If someone not a U.S. citizen commits a crime here
they get sent home - WITH supper.
And I don't mean just being here illegally.
Driving without a license, no tags, no insurance,unpaid traffic fines...
(those are crimes here - misdemeanors, but crimes, nevertheless)
ALSO , drug possession, DUI, theft, etc., etc. ETC. ...
They send them back.
Arpaio had one case-in-point - he was, at the time of the interview,
sending this one guy back - for the TENTH! TIME THAT MONTH.


I'm for closing the border. I'm for slamming it shut.

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